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:header: Partnership for consciousness
:text: "In a sentence we might say at Hub Feenix that living is about learning,
growing in intelligence and conciousness. Love partnership follows the same reasoning,
in that its highest purpose is to increase conciousness in both partners. Love
brings two people together, touching places in both that are usually hidden behind
the persona that we create to interact in the world. Being touched is most beautiful,
but also brings issues, old pains, traumas and the like. Only a honest, committed
love has the power to break through the old pains.\r\n\r\nWe believe that sexuality,
as the most intimate of human contacts, is best practised in such a committed
relationship, which creates the space for dealing with the consequences.\r\n\r\n###Traditional
marriage###\r\n\r\nThe view outlined above can be seen as quite different from
traditional marriages, which have evolved out of a sort of inter-community/family
business deal to benefit the then small communities. Before the romantics, love
did not play into the issue, and the participants were held together by strong
social pressures. After romantic love became more prominent, the social pressures
were still at work and many people understandably ended up quite unhappy because,
because no-one as we might put it, had a clue as to what they were doing at any
deeper level.\r\n\r\n###Change is needed###\r\n\r\nTo be clear, we do understand
that most people are still in this situation, of starting relationships purely
based on feelings and then not knowing what to do when it inevitably gets difficult.
In our view this is the reason why experiments with different forms of relationships
are more and more taking place, and free sexuality or polygamy are the most popular
at the moment (see link below).\r\nWe acknowledge that the old ways do not work
any more, and change is needed both at the personal and societal level. But for
us the best way is the one outlined above, not free sexuality, and we will detail
below why.\r\n\r\n###Open partnership done right still falls short###\r\n\r\nOne
of the highest values of Hub Feenix is non-violence, or consent, and so when more
than two people enter into consensual relationship (with open cards as it were),
we do not have a problem with that. For us this would include detailed communication
about the base agreements of interaction with the people, talking before acting
out eg, and keeping a high level of trust, as eg Tamera advocates.\r\n\r\nIn this
way open relationships may be lived while causing the least amount of unnecessary
pain, but in our opinion, the benefits of love are mostly lost. This is because
the love is shared, or diluted one may say, and the motivation to work through
issues is not nearly as strong. After all the whole motivation for more partners
is to pick and choose, finding solutions to problems with other people, rather
than between the two people that have the problem.\r\n\r\n###Open sexualities
achilles heel###\r\n\r\nWhen people (like Dieter Duhm, below) talk about the reason
why open sexuality is the solution to the problem, there is often a fair amount
of good sounding words being used (trust, openess, communication etc). But the
actual problem is rarely hit on the head, only alluded to. The main problem can
usually be seen when a man want to have more sex, usually with an attractive woman.
Phrases like “couragous excursion” already frame the breach in a positive light.
The main problem we find, is the breach of trust, as opposed to working through
the problem. If partners are not having enough intimacy (sexual or otherwise),
this is something that we feel should be resolved by communication.\r\n\r\nIf
on the other hand communication is not working, the breach of trust is often performed
as an unconscious exit strategy (unconscious of the deeper issue, not the sexual
drive off course). Once trust has been breached, we do not know that it can be
restored, mainly because the lack of communication is what led to the breach.\r\n\r\nOff
course this is for the case when the open partnership has not been agreed upon
beforehand. If it has, the other shortcomings described above come into play.
Not distinguishing between the cases of agreed and not agreed openness is a major
source of confusion in the communication about open sexuality.\r\n\r\n###Societal
healing###\r\n\r\nAs Tamera and others have rightly pointed out, many of the current
societal problems can be traced back to the relationship between the sexes, love
and partnership. And to be more precise, to the forceful, violent, exploitative
and generally unequal way men have treated women especially in the west.\r\n\r\nPeace
can really only be when we have peace between the sexes, between man and woman.
This off course starts in partnerships, and to heal those partnerships, men must
make amends. It is not enough to have equal partnerships now, men must consciously
make up or the thousands of years of mistreatment and can only stop when women,
both personally and generally, say its ok.\r\n\r\nWhile this may sound abstract,
it has quite concrete ramifications. Much of mens mistreatments stems quite simply
from sexual frustration, not getting enough. And so the solution is also quite
simple, men must deny any expression of said frustration. Maybe more radically,
men must give up on the idea of having a right not to be. Love and intimacy can
after all only be given, not taken. \r\n\r\nOnly in this way can the cycle of
karma be broken and love be restored. \r\n\r\nOpen partnerships on the other hand
look like a more sophisticated way for men to argue that they need to get more
sex. Many women we have spoken to still feel coerced, driven by fear of loss,
which was supposed to be a thing of the past in this model. And many women also
feel tired after some years, unsupported, as real commitment is lacking.\r\n\r\nTrue
love heals, and loved women love intimacy. Men must be patient, participate in
the healing process, not force anything. Not necessarily ask for personal forgiveness
but be aware of the history that theirs fathers have participated in. \r\n\r\n###Conclusion###\r\n\r\nAt
Hub Feenix we agree with Tamera, that “we are working on a project where both
genders can liberate themselves from the horror of the past forever”. Also that
trust and communication is essential in all relationships.\r\n\r\nConversely we
believe that selfishness (the “i want ..” impulse) hides most effectively in sexual
desire, and open partnerships, and more so polygamy, is the latest sophistication
in which self is hiding.\r\n\r\nIn contrast we believe the highest joy and fulfilment
in partnership comes out of total honesty and commitment to the higher goal of
growing in conciousness. \r\n\r\n\r\nReference by Dieter Duhm on behalf of Tamera:\r\nhttps://www.tamera.org/article-free-sexuality-and-partnership-complementary-not-contradictory/\r\n"